Those of you who know me, know that I am most definitely a Capitalist! I believe that the best form of economic development is rooted in individual profit and I worry when the government takes more and more control of the economic systems of this country. That would usually be the end of my comment, "End of Story". However, I have been doing some praying and soul searching over the last few months. Here are some more of my thoughts on the economic situation.
I can't help but see some of the problems of Israel in the Old Testament in the current problems of our country. The prophets complained to the nation that they had quit worrying about anyone but themselves. As long as they had enough everything was fine. The nation never listened to these prophets and it was only after Israel was overrun and enslaved that they would stop and listen to God and how He wanted them to live!
In the recent past there were those who said that our country was becoming too segregated (the haves and the have nots) and that our rampant capitalism was the culprit. As we lived here in Lake Mary (4th best place in America to live) and contemplated which car we should buy next or whether or not we could afford a house on the beach we would respond to the detractors that this is how it should be, people should reap the benefit of their labor. Those that do not have just have not figured out how to get it yet! But now that "regular people" i.e. our parents and others we know are losing their savings and retirement while CEO's contemplate bankruptcy for their companies and a life for themselves with millions in a foreign country we look at the situation with a different eye.
Suddenly there is an outcry that we need to care for the poor and homeless, we need to make sure that people are not put out of their homes, that children don't live out of their cars! The rich need to foot the bill taxes and rules are good if they level the playing field. Now it seems that everyone should be looking out for others as well as themselves! It would seem that just like the Israelites we have come to realize that living selfishly leads to a country of selfish people!
However, our concern for the less fortunate may simply be a new form of selfishness. We are outraged that there are those who continue to have enough money to build 94,000 sq. ft. houses and sent their dogs to New York City for their styling, while we are worried about keeping our jobs and our homes! Our seeming concern for the less fortunate may be a thinly veiled cover for our concern that someone is making sure that I can keep my stuff!!!
Maybe we all need to do a self check? Have we become too worried about things? What should our standard of living be in this country? Just because I "Can" have it "should" I have it?
What do you think?
Pastor Paul
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Capitalism
Paul Hoyer - Thursday, April 30, 2009
jim lehrer
Ben Hoyer - Tuesday, April 28, 2009
I was watching a news show the other day. Every friday they have these two guys debate the weeks news. I like listening to these guys because they're smart and, for the most part, gracious. Anywho there were two things said that have stuck with me:
1. He said that he figures most people are pulling for Obama's ideas to work out because they have hitched to him for their "fate, fortune, and future." As he goes so goes their lives. It made me think..."I am not counting on Obama for my fate, fortune or future." I mean I can see why americans would, but I consider myself american only secondarily. I have hitched to Jesus for my "fate, fortune, and future." As Jesus goes so goes my life. It made me think, I wonder what percentage of people following Jesus would see that distinction and which percentage would just throw themselves in with all the other americans. Remember as we follow Jesus we are citizens of his kingdom first, america is second at best. Our king is much more trustworthy then their president both with the things of this world and the next.
2. As they spoke about the changing economy they mentioned "We have to learn that there are no transformational purchases. No ipod, lipstick, or masarati is going to change who you are." I thought, wow that is profound for a news program (I guess that's pbs for you). But that is so right. It's hard to remember that even if you get that car that is new, sensible, good for the enviroment, looks cool and is marketed to the sort of person you want to be (big truck, hip hatchback, smart green car) you are still going to be the same person...it won't change your life. I think that's something that we relearn and remember over and over again. At least I do.
1. He said that he figures most people are pulling for Obama's ideas to work out because they have hitched to him for their "fate, fortune, and future." As he goes so goes their lives. It made me think..."I am not counting on Obama for my fate, fortune or future." I mean I can see why americans would, but I consider myself american only secondarily. I have hitched to Jesus for my "fate, fortune, and future." As Jesus goes so goes my life. It made me think, I wonder what percentage of people following Jesus would see that distinction and which percentage would just throw themselves in with all the other americans. Remember as we follow Jesus we are citizens of his kingdom first, america is second at best. Our king is much more trustworthy then their president both with the things of this world and the next.
2. As they spoke about the changing economy they mentioned "We have to learn that there are no transformational purchases. No ipod, lipstick, or masarati is going to change who you are." I thought, wow that is profound for a news program (I guess that's pbs for you). But that is so right. It's hard to remember that even if you get that car that is new, sensible, good for the enviroment, looks cool and is marketed to the sort of person you want to be (big truck, hip hatchback, smart green car) you are still going to be the same person...it won't change your life. I think that's something that we relearn and remember over and over again. At least I do.
Heroes
Paul Hoyer - Wednesday, April 22, 2009
I just received a copy of Ben Stein's final Column, this was the one
where he wrote from a famous restaurant that had traditionally be the
hangout for Hollywood Stars. In that final column he said that he was
going to stop because things had changed. He no longer feels that the
people who live in "insane luxury" and are paid millions of dollars to
memorize lines and speak them back to an audience or a camera are the
heroes that he once thought them to be. He then lists the type of
people that he feels are the true heroes of today's society. His final
thoughts are that to be heroic a life must be a life lived in service
to others.
The root of this kind of thinking to me is that to be a hero is to do the difficult with little regard for our own welfare. Serving others can be this when it is done with recklus abandon! To live the heroic life is to put my needs and wants behind the needs of others. The hero leads the way, they lead not by asking others to give to them, but by offering to give themselves to others.
Great leaders have always known this, but it seems to just now have come into the foreground of leadership training. We are the heroes, when we care for ailing parents, or give ourselves completely to our spouse.
In this Easter season it is easy to see that Jesus was that type of hero and would lead us in that direction. But in the society that we live in today too many people still see heros as those who do whatever it takes to get what they want for themselves!
The "ME" generation produced a generation that looks up to those who put themselves first. Even in the current envirorment of "Change" as our country digs deep to pour Trillions of Dollars into the econamic bail outs and people are suffering as never before, I read yesterday that the government knows that more than 10% of those trillions will be lost to fraud, graff and con artists. Where are the Heroes? We need to let Jesus lead our lives and then let our lives shine on those around us. That is the only thing that can produce "Change".
What do you think?
Pastor Paul
The root of this kind of thinking to me is that to be a hero is to do the difficult with little regard for our own welfare. Serving others can be this when it is done with recklus abandon! To live the heroic life is to put my needs and wants behind the needs of others. The hero leads the way, they lead not by asking others to give to them, but by offering to give themselves to others.
Great leaders have always known this, but it seems to just now have come into the foreground of leadership training. We are the heroes, when we care for ailing parents, or give ourselves completely to our spouse.
In this Easter season it is easy to see that Jesus was that type of hero and would lead us in that direction. But in the society that we live in today too many people still see heros as those who do whatever it takes to get what they want for themselves!
The "ME" generation produced a generation that looks up to those who put themselves first. Even in the current envirorment of "Change" as our country digs deep to pour Trillions of Dollars into the econamic bail outs and people are suffering as never before, I read yesterday that the government knows that more than 10% of those trillions will be lost to fraud, graff and con artists. Where are the Heroes? We need to let Jesus lead our lives and then let our lives shine on those around us. That is the only thing that can produce "Change".
What do you think?
Pastor Paul
a prayer
Ben Hoyer - Wednesday, April 22, 2009
So…here is a prayer I’ve sort of been praying
Father it’s true that we want to be in the center of yourwill. We know that’s where we’ll have peace: freedom from doubts and worries, fearsand anxieties. We know there is provision there, and joy. Tune our hearts tosense where that is, and then the courage to go there boldly. Open doors for usin the days and weeks to come. Go ahead of us in authority.
Knit together our little daughter, and tell us what her nameis. In and through Jesus your son. Amen
Bronze Snakes can create problems
Ben Hoyer - Monday, April 20, 2009
Yesterday (april 19) we told the story of God punishing Israel with deadly snakes. That was kind of a bummer story to hear. But as he tends to do, God also made a way out. He told Moses to make a bronze snake. If people wanted to, they could look at the snake and be healed. So sometimes God punishes his people in order to correct them. The interesting thing is that the story of the bronze snake doesn't end there. A thousand years later that bronze snake is still around. The Israelites carried it all through the desert, and put it in the temple Solomon built in Jerusalem. But when that snake is mentioned again it is being shattered. King Hezekiah destroys it because the Israelites had started worshiping it. Can you believe it? They were worshiping the thing God worked through to save them instead of God himself. They had turned it into an idol. What a mess we are.We talked a little bit about money yesterday too. I think it can become our bronze snake. I spoke with a member after the saturday service who said that money is so dangerous because we have to be constantly reevaluating our relationship to it. We are never done. When it's up there on the pole it looks like it would make such a good little idol. Worse it seems to give us results. God often gives us money to help our experience of life, but the minute we start worshiping the things God works through rather than God himself, it's time to take it out and smash it.
the rest of the story
Ben Hoyer - Friday, April 17, 2009
I have been thinking lately that we (read the followers of Jesus gathered in lake mary that call themselves Holy Cross) have bitten off a big piece. I mean it's one thing to convince your larger group of churches (read the district of 55 or so churches around the country that Holy Cross is a part of) to pay a pastor to come and do some new things in a 25 year old congregation. It's another thing to knit the aforementioned followers together in authentic relationships through teams that pursue pieces of the life Jesus bought for them, and release some of those followers to start new leagues of teams in outlying towns all in a time when people are finding they have less and less money.
It hasn't taken long for the vision of people living, loving, and learning together to catch on. We first started talking about the idea in September. Since then we have added well over 100 people to the teams that were already existing. I just checked, there are over 350 people involved in L Teams right now (what's your L Team?). But it is cool to see how quickly the idea has caught on outside Lake Mary as well. A member who moved to Mt. Dora and was finding herself less involved in church services rediscovered that following Jesus ivolves the whole of life and took up the challenge of meeting the need her community had for an organized and efficient food pantry. Out of that came a book study considering a christian approach to politics. The day is coming when the vision of Holy Cross (read the followers of Jesus gathered in lake mary that call themselves Holy Cross) takes root in a whole new league in Mt. Dora; they'll worship together, meet the needs of their community and grow the faith of believers. Similar things are happening in the Downtown Orlando area. People are meeting to learn more about the word of God and look for opportunites to share it. One day they'll have their own league to.
See the vision of L Teams is big. We are praying that God will use the followers of Jesus gathered in Lake Mary that call themselves Holy Cross to change Central Florida. We've bitten off a big piece, but we have a big God and are excited to see what he'll do with some followers who are ready to see him work!
It hasn't taken long for the vision of people living, loving, and learning together to catch on. We first started talking about the idea in September. Since then we have added well over 100 people to the teams that were already existing. I just checked, there are over 350 people involved in L Teams right now (what's your L Team?). But it is cool to see how quickly the idea has caught on outside Lake Mary as well. A member who moved to Mt. Dora and was finding herself less involved in church services rediscovered that following Jesus ivolves the whole of life and took up the challenge of meeting the need her community had for an organized and efficient food pantry. Out of that came a book study considering a christian approach to politics. The day is coming when the vision of Holy Cross (read the followers of Jesus gathered in lake mary that call themselves Holy Cross) takes root in a whole new league in Mt. Dora; they'll worship together, meet the needs of their community and grow the faith of believers. Similar things are happening in the Downtown Orlando area. People are meeting to learn more about the word of God and look for opportunites to share it. One day they'll have their own league to.
See the vision of L Teams is big. We are praying that God will use the followers of Jesus gathered in Lake Mary that call themselves Holy Cross to change Central Florida. We've bitten off a big piece, but we have a big God and are excited to see what he'll do with some followers who are ready to see him work!
He is Risen!
Ben Hoyer - Thursday, April 16, 2009
So did you catch that he is risen? I don't know about you, but I had a blast Sunday morning. I mean it was a really good time. I love standing up there trying to look all of you in the eyes at the same time and reminding you of the one thing that I know is true: Jesus is alive. That is the Gospel straight up and it can change lives. I am preaching this weekend and part of me wants to just say the same thing over again.
What's With Pastors?
Paul Hoyer - Thursday, April 09, 2009
Here it is Holy Week and I am blogging just so that I will not have to work on an Easter Sermon.
Today is Maundy Thursday and this morning the YMCA of Central Florida had its 15th annual Prayer Breakfast. They are able to get wonderful speakers and this year they had Bruce Wilkinson the author of the "Prayer of Jabez the stories that he told were good but it is true that sometimes the best authors are not the best speakers.This gathering was at First Baptist Church of Orlando, which is HUGE and they had almost 1000 people seated there for Breakfast. At one point they asked all of the pastors to stand, there were less than 25 in attendance. What is with Pastors!!
Last week Thursday we had a pastor's breakfast at Holy Cross for the Seminole county pastors to meet with County leaders and social ministry organizations. We had the Chairman of the County Commission and the head of the County Economic Development agency as our speakers, we had Patrick Morley of Man in the Mirror as our devotional leader for the morning. We also had 20 of the county's social agencies with displays and people present to interact with the pastors. We sent out 350 invitations to the pastors of Seminole county and when it came time for breakfast we had 6 pastors including the three from Holy Cross. What is with Pastors!!!
Later in the week I ran into one of the Seminole Pastors and asked why he was not there and he explained that he was way too busy. Then later in the conversation he told me that he usually gets to play 18 holes of golf at least twice a week. What is with pastors!!!
We were trying to engage more churches in the Christian Sharing Center and we had a lawyer who was the board chairman and he said that he would put aside all of his Fridays for a year and take one pastor to lunch each week to talk about their churches involvement in the Christian Sharing Center. We called for two weeks straight and could not get a single pastor to agree to go to lunch, most would not even return our calls, let alone answer when we called the church office.What is with pastors????
It is hard for me to say just what they are spending their time doing, perhaps emails, blogs and websurfing! Some spend their time reading and preparing for sermons. I know that they make hospital calls and do some counselling but what about interaction with the community? How much should we see pastors outside of their churches? What should be their primary jobs? What do you think a pastor should do all week?
Today is Maundy Thursday and this morning the YMCA of Central Florida had its 15th annual Prayer Breakfast. They are able to get wonderful speakers and this year they had Bruce Wilkinson the author of the "Prayer of Jabez the stories that he told were good but it is true that sometimes the best authors are not the best speakers.This gathering was at First Baptist Church of Orlando, which is HUGE and they had almost 1000 people seated there for Breakfast. At one point they asked all of the pastors to stand, there were less than 25 in attendance. What is with Pastors!!
Last week Thursday we had a pastor's breakfast at Holy Cross for the Seminole county pastors to meet with County leaders and social ministry organizations. We had the Chairman of the County Commission and the head of the County Economic Development agency as our speakers, we had Patrick Morley of Man in the Mirror as our devotional leader for the morning. We also had 20 of the county's social agencies with displays and people present to interact with the pastors. We sent out 350 invitations to the pastors of Seminole county and when it came time for breakfast we had 6 pastors including the three from Holy Cross. What is with Pastors!!!
Later in the week I ran into one of the Seminole Pastors and asked why he was not there and he explained that he was way too busy. Then later in the conversation he told me that he usually gets to play 18 holes of golf at least twice a week. What is with pastors!!!
We were trying to engage more churches in the Christian Sharing Center and we had a lawyer who was the board chairman and he said that he would put aside all of his Fridays for a year and take one pastor to lunch each week to talk about their churches involvement in the Christian Sharing Center. We called for two weeks straight and could not get a single pastor to agree to go to lunch, most would not even return our calls, let alone answer when we called the church office.What is with pastors????
It is hard for me to say just what they are spending their time doing, perhaps emails, blogs and websurfing! Some spend their time reading and preparing for sermons. I know that they make hospital calls and do some counselling but what about interaction with the community? How much should we see pastors outside of their churches? What should be their primary jobs? What do you think a pastor should do all week?
so...I was thinking
Ben Hoyer - Tuesday, April 07, 2009
So in what may be our last brisk morning of the first half of 2009 I went for a walk to our neighborhood starbucks. Those walks are as much about the thinking along the way as they are about the coffee at the end. This walk's thinking was a little all over the place but alighted several times on how fun palm sunday was two days ago. People in the courtyard, rockin band, pumped up preacher and big L Teams buzz. It all adds up to a good time. This is a good time of year for Jesus followers, a couple special services this week to remember the big deal, then the big deal itself this Sunday.
Once I thought over that, the thinking touched down on our burgeoning L Team community. I am excited about the way teams are springing up. They are all over the board with more people being added all the time.
Then I thought I wonder how many people know the full vision for L Teams…I’m out of time but will say more later.
Once I thought over that, the thinking touched down on our burgeoning L Team community. I am excited about the way teams are springing up. They are all over the board with more people being added all the time.
Then I thought I wonder how many people know the full vision for L Teams…I’m out of time but will say more later.
extreme makeovers, joy and camels
Ben Hoyer - Monday, April 06, 2009
I watched extreme home makeover last night. That show always makes me a little uncomfortable. People always seem a little too good, and the houses are presented as a panacea. I mean I know it's a good thing, but it reminds me that we are not living for this life, but the next and Jesus once said that it's harder for the rich to get that than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle. But the people always seem happy and you can count on tears.
That show was in my mind this morning when I spent some time looking at joy. Chris and I are talking about the fruit of the spirit in the "Audio Conversations" (by the way we are taking suggestions for a better name for those things). We're talking about one characteristic a week. I think we'll consider joy this week.
I have this cool book that shows me each time the greek word translated joy is used in the New Testament. So far it's making me think of the subversive nature of Jesus and his kingdom. You know, that his kingdom is neither beholden nor subject to the leaders or laws of this world. In fact at one point the evangelist Paul says, "in a great ordeal of affliction their abundance of joy and their deep poverty overflowed in the wealth of their liberality." Joy comes with deep poverty? That is certainly inconistent with the perspective of this world. See joy is a gift of the spirit, it comes at the behest of our King independent and often inspite or in the face of the realities of this world.
Joy is difficult to define. It is deeper and broader that hapiness; more substantial. I want to say that is a position of the heart that keeps it from the grip of fear, despair, or even guilt. This position is bought for us by the cross, and comes as a free gift to those who don't refuse it.
That show was in my mind this morning when I spent some time looking at joy. Chris and I are talking about the fruit of the spirit in the "Audio Conversations" (by the way we are taking suggestions for a better name for those things). We're talking about one characteristic a week. I think we'll consider joy this week.
I have this cool book that shows me each time the greek word translated joy is used in the New Testament. So far it's making me think of the subversive nature of Jesus and his kingdom. You know, that his kingdom is neither beholden nor subject to the leaders or laws of this world. In fact at one point the evangelist Paul says, "in a great ordeal of affliction their abundance of joy and their deep poverty overflowed in the wealth of their liberality." Joy comes with deep poverty? That is certainly inconistent with the perspective of this world. See joy is a gift of the spirit, it comes at the behest of our King independent and often inspite or in the face of the realities of this world.
Joy is difficult to define. It is deeper and broader that hapiness; more substantial. I want to say that is a position of the heart that keeps it from the grip of fear, despair, or even guilt. This position is bought for us by the cross, and comes as a free gift to those who don't refuse it.
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Naming capitalism as an economic system of choice would also reflects who I have been and still am. Ever since my second year of college I have had the privilege of working as a manager, leader, executive, years of board leadership in the community and church, and for many years enjoyed a six figure salary.
Today, due to some choices I wish we could remake, than the economic situation that magnified the outcome of the choices may thousands of times, I find myself living on the non management side of the capitalism system. Only having punched a time clock for a few part time jobs during college, now I find myself punching the clock for near to minimum wage.
Over the past few months I too have reflected on how we have and are reflecting Jesus’ teaching in our capitalist society. Maybe more, how do I keep my eye on God’s dream for the whole of creation? In light of our current situation, a temptation is to only focus on what “I” need to do to take care of me. Then I ask myself, has this been the root of what has and is happing causing the current economic situation?
Robert K. Greenleaf’s writing on servant leadership continues to give me much to think about. Two of the quotes that I find very intriguing;
“Caring for persons, the more able and less able serving each other, is the rock upon which a good society is built.”
Then his definition of servant leadership, “… do those served grow as persons; do they, while being served, became healthier, wiser, freer, more autonomous, more likely themselves to become servants?”
Maybe in our questioning, we will find an answer.
What are we doing about it? Nothing. We allow it. We accept it. The athletes, Hollywood stars, the rich, and government officials have all been created and perpetuated the divide between the "haves" and the "have nots" for years, and we have stupidly bought into it! We pay $30 for movies and popcorn, or $50 to watch a pro-ball game in person, and we buy their CD's and logo T-shirts. We keep telling them they are special and deserving of it. In Washington, without term limits, we allow the old stodgers to stay in power and do what they've always done and keep everything the same. It won't change unless WE change it.
We've got to face the facts. Everyday, we wake up to 24-hr air-conditioned comfort, running clean water, indoor toilets, good food in abundance, 100+ channels of entertainment at our fingertips, paved streets, good schools, adequate forms of transportation, coffee on every corner, and yet we continue to complain about NOT having ENOUGH!! We should all be forced to go on a mission trip and see what the rest of the world faces every day. That'll open our eyes.
We have MORE than enough - we just have LESS SENSE about how we spend it. We have less sense because we started thinking WE did it and WE earned it, and that belongs to US, it is OURS to spend and not God's. I think the Devil has been having fun with this one for way too long. We ate that apple down to the core.
We earned it, alright. We deserve this downturn. We deserve to be forced to step back and see what we've become - selfish little greedy whiners. I'm all for getting compensated for hard work and engenuity, but I would agree with the man you quoted that no one is worth $1,000,000 a year. If we could all be satisfied with less for ourselves and want more for others, we would ALL have more...peace, love, and blessings abounding. If we could live like Christ and serve Him first and others second, we could turn this thing around! I'll keep on praying for that.
"You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one..."
Thanks for letting me rant.
then and only then will will you see HIS truth, and in turn will act accordingly. But let me caution you, for when the truth is upon your spirit and soul, you will not be able to turn back and view the current everyday system that one lives in now.I'm debt and spirtually free,as is my family.Take the journey, the addmission has already been paid for everyone.May everyone who reads this blog, be a instrument of God's great abundance and love!